some of the cuts and deductions he might make and said they might come from areas like housing and education. and that means a tax increase on middle class families. and so he brought a big old etch-a-sketch to the debate. he brought it on wolf's program tonight. but ultimately, this means a tax increase on the middle class to pay for tax cuts weighted towards the wealthiest. >> it's interesting. i have to admit, i was shocked myself, recently to talking to one of the ceos on the phone, and he said he thinks we could get rid of that mortgage interest deduction and wouldn't affect housing prices, which is a totally different conversation but a fascinating one. >> it would affect middle class families, sure. >> it would affect all americans. but his point was, it wouldn't distort housing pricese may mean we may be able to handle that more than we thought. but i want to get to this issue of the study. because you do cite a specific study which has been favorable to the romney campaign. it's by harvey rosen, a princeton economist. you cited in your release, in the romney tax plan. and so we call